Posts Tagged ‘Israel’

The Anchoress misses the point…

Posted: May 18, 2009 by datechguy in catholic, war
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…and that doesn’t happen all that often:

Yeah, that’s the ticket. Because only Obama, who did very little before taking on the Oval Office, has the wisdom and the gravitas to bring Netanyahu to such a position. You can’t expect the 83 year-old professor who lived through Nazism and Statism and understands that the greatest evils of the 20th century began with people disrespecting the personhood of the guy standing next to them, to have had any impact on Israel’s thinking.

You can’t expect an old intellectual who has been talking about the battle between truth and relativism from his teenage years in a POW camp, through his elevation to the papacy, to have contributed anything of value to the decades-long acrimonies of the Middle Eastern Nations can you?

It’s the Bookworm who nails it:

What the loopy-loo wackos on the Left (and, increasingly, in the middle) don’t understand, is that the Arabs have never wanted and will never want a two state solution. They want a Judenrein world, and they’re patient.

It is this desire for a one state (all Arab) solution, that explains why, as Rick Richman points out, no Middle East solutions have worked thus far.

Until the Arabs want a “two state” solution it doesn’t matter what Israel thinks. One of three things will happen. Either the Arabs will manage to slaughter the Jews, the Jews will finally decide they have enough and decide to slaughter the Arabs (which they’ve had the ability to do for decades, for all the cries of Jewish genocide of Arabs they are sure doing a lousy job of it aren’t they), or the Arabs will decide to live in peace.

Unless choice three comes about, choice one or two is inevitable. It’s just a question of when.

Oh and if you are of the mind that God will not permit the destruction of Israel (choice 1) that’s just not true. He has allowed the Kingdoms of Israel to fall over and over again, but he has never allowed the Jewish People to be eliminated. The history of the people of Israel is a sine wave; they rise and fall just as Moses predicted. In fact it pre-figures the cycle of confession and repentance in the church: man sins, man repents, God forgives, man is tempted and repeat until death or man escapes sin state.

You know I am very proud to support Israel…

Posted: May 12, 2009 by datechguy in catholic, opinion/news
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…against the barbarians lined up against them, but you know as a Catholic the idea that the Pope owes the state of Israel an apology for the Holocaust is not only nonsense but in my opinion requires an apology for the attempt to hang Hitler’s final solution around the neck of my church in general and this Pope in particular.

The democratic state of Israel is waging a just struggle against lying barbarians who would slaughter them all and then cheer. They deserve support and as a civilized man I am obliged to give it. The Jewish race and religion are the older brothers of my Catholic faith. They are no less God’s people then they were when God spoke to Abram. They deserve respect. These are facts and one insult is not going to change it, but I’m feeling very Josey Walesish today.

Here is the speech in question:

BTW I want to again give Israellycool big props. I suspect we don’t agree on this issue but he posted the speech in full and linked to the reactions so people could make up their own mind. He has been very fair and to continue the metaphor from above, brothers disagree and get angry on occasion, but that doesn’t mean we don’t stick together.

The Pope walks

Posted: May 11, 2009 by datechguy in catholic, opinion/news
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You know everything the Pope does gets worldwide attention. When he lifted the excommunication on the St. Pius X society “bishops” the press took the opportunity to jump on him as an anti-Semite. I wonder what they will say after today:

Taking the podium after the pope without being on the original list of speakers scheduled for the evening, Tamimi, speaking at length in Arabic, accused Israel of murdering women and children in Gaza and making Palestinians refugees, and declared Jerusalem the eternal Palestinian capital.

Following the diatribe and before the meeting was officially over, the pope exited the premises.

Apparently a few years ago the guy tried the same thing with John Paul II.

Damian Thompson comments:

I reckon the Holy Father responded appropriately. He didn’t precipitate a diplomatic incident by refusing to shake the speaker’s hand, but by leaving before the meeting was over he made it absolutely plain that the Vatican does not take sides in the Israel-Palestine dispute.

The American Papist comments and notes a parallel:

Pope Benedict is a model of Catholic dialogue. Evidently there are some cases of “dialogue” that are actually “false dialogue”. If Pope Benedict is willing to walk out of a dialogue he sees as unfruitful and even harmful, what should that tell us about avoiding situations of dialogue that contradict our Catholic principles?

Oh and PS … the “Notre Dame Center”?!

Hint Hint!

LGF notes it. Gateway Pundit does too.

Nothing yet from Atlas or Yourish but Isreallycool has coverage of the trip and reveals that apparently the pope can’t please anyone, certainly not the former chief Rabbi of Israel:

“A few points were missing in the pope’s address,” said Lau. “There was no mention of the Germans, or Nazis, who carried out the massacre. There was not a word of sharing the grief or of compassion or pain for the six million victims.”

“Instead of the word ‘murdered,’ as the previous pope John Paul II used,” Lau continued, Benedict XVI used the word ‘killed.’ There is a very clear difference between the two verbs,” the former chief rabbi stressed.

The youtube of the “offensive” speech is at his site…

…oh and by the way in case you didn’t notice the Palestinians are STILL sending rockets into Israel.

Update: Glenn comments:

Hey, you can’t have meaningful dialogue with some people. So why pretend?

Update 2: Atlas Shrugs asks the question:

What was the Pope expecting? Hasn’t he read the Quran? This was pious speech! As if these savages were capable of “peace” — it is an anathema to islamic doctrine. They will never accept a Jewish state.

It’s not a question of what do you expect. The pope since he is the pope is going to treat everyone he meets with Christian love and respect. It’s up to that person to earn it. This one didn’t.

The other McCain throws a shot at LGF:

Following the diatribe and before the meeting was officially over, the pope exited the premises. Army Radio reported that the pope shook Tamimi’s hand before walking out.
The Pope was immediately denounced as a “Eurofascist” and a “notorious Pamela Geller sympathizer” by the Little Green Footballs blog.

I might have added that last part.

Update 3 Hotair’s headlines notice

Update 4 The Anchoress:

Some forums are complaining that the pope didn’t leave in the middle of the speech. Some are complaining that he shook the sheikh’s hand on the way out. I say give the Holy Father props for maintaining the absolute minimum diplomatic courtesy to a very discourteous person and then absenting himself from this evil. I say give him some props for appearing to be the last man on the international stage with some both dignity and moxie.

Update 5: I guess we now know what they will say. Why am i not even slightly surprised?

A real danger

Posted: April 23, 2009 by datechguy in internet/free speech, opinion/news
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Via lgf, Gateway pundit a bit of a danger sign concerning the Ron Paul supporters and the teaparties:

Citing the importance of the taxpayer movement in California, California Republican Party Chairman Ron Nehring today strongly condemned the use of anti-Semitic material used to promote the recent April 15 TEA party in San Mateo County.

“The taxpayer movement is incredibly important for California, and we applaud the success of the tea parties that took place across the state on April 15. Because we remain intensely interested in the growth and success of the mainstream taxpayer movement, we strongly condemn the use of anti-Semitic imagery in the promotion of the recent event in San Mateo County.

Ron Paul has several good points in terms of small government and unnecessary spending, however that doesn’t and can’t justify anti-semitic garbage like this.

I am very pleased that the California GOP jumped on this to hit it. The group in general issued this response:

Anti-semitism is too real, not to mention despicable, to be charged lightly, and Mr. Nehring’s reactionary charge is regrettable. It amounts to an unjustified smear of Dr. Paul and the people who support him.

One irony in this matter cannot be overlooked. A large, growing contingent of Ron Paul supporters has been elected to Republican County Central Committees throughout California. By indirectly smearing them, Mr. Nehring harms his own party.

I would be a lot more convinced of their group’s good intentions if the spot where the cartoon appeared wasn’t suddenly made private. This looks a lot like the disabling of comments on Huff Po whenever a person of the right is sick or dies. Gotta hide the hate.

Like the Larouche groups the Paulians are going to do their best to co-op the tea party movement. If they want to join in tax protests that’s fine, after all they pay taxes just like everybody else. If they want to argue the US spends too much money on foreign wars that is a legitimate debatable issue. The idea that this is a big Jewish conspiracy is not. If the Paulians want to advance an anti-semitic agenda and use the tea party protests as their vehicle, we must respectfully decline their company.

I expect the media to jump on this hard, in fact I am shocked that it already isn’t’ being reported.

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