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Q: What is the one thing that president has done that might cause him to be worthy of the prize he is now receiving.

If this president manages to pull out a win in Afghanistan and defeats the Taliban then he will actually have taken a decisive action that makes his prize something he deserves.

And I don’t think he is going to pull out in 2011, I think he may get a primary challenge because of it (that he will beat back) but I think in the end he is going to fight to win.

Lets hope he manages to earn it.

…and so far the speech is first rate.

The acknowledgment of those who came before him, winning the prize due to decades of action and suffering, was and is very important. The call out to those who are actually doing peacemaking and are imprisoned for the cause of freedom (it would have been nice to say a few by name but I’ll take it).

He acknowledges the war and his involvement in deploying troops. He declares it a just war.

He then talks about the history of the 20th century and talks about the doctrine of Just war and makes it clear that the United States is justly proud of it’s actions.

He talks about “A few small men with outsized rage.” That is the best description of the terrorists we fight that I’ve heard. He says that you can not negotiate with Al Qaeda.

“To say that force is sometimes necessary is not cynicism”. Is this Actually Barack Obama talking?

He declares publicly that the peace of the latter half of the 20th century was directly purchased by American power and blood. This is a Nixon/China moment. They would have laughed at George Bush saying that even if it was true.

Whoever wrote this speech isn’t being paid enough, this is clearly the best speech I’ve ever heard him give.

Now he is going back to his normal stuff, he is about to hit Gitmo etc…

Ran outside to sand the walk before the wife leaves for work so missed it from that point where he says Wanting peace is not enough it make it happen.

The only applause he gets is when he hits Gitmo, the torture line is BS. this tells us more about this crowd then anything else.

I think he is going too long now, if he is smart he will cut is short here.

He is now talking about proliferation.

Those who care about their own security can’t ignore localized arms races.

He talks about the need to act rather than sit back concerning sanctions.

He talks about freedom of speech and religion and it’s necessity for peace.

He hits Burma and Zimbabwe and Iran by name holy shit he is sounding like an Actual president!

Update: The Wall Street Journal is liveblogging this speech.

He now gives Copenhagen a thumbs up and plugs climate change. Nonsense but not unexpected.

Hits the concept of “Holy War”, throws a bone to Islam by attacking the Crusades. He hasn’t read his Thomas Madden.

Clearly a first rate speech and a decent job. I think it was very much a Nixon China speech. On Morning Joe they point out that the European left will not like this speech.

Update 2: The NYT Take is here.

Talkleft describes the situation as a travesty of a Mockery, it’s true in my opinion he doesn’t deserve the prize but it’s a consolation that the socialist European left that gave him the prize had to listen to him tell them that their ideal world only exists thanks to American Power and Blood, that’s gotta leave a mark!

I guess this is sort of a non-traditional liveblog of President Obama Nobel Olympic Speech, I’d be interested if people think I should have done a more traditional one with timestamps and more direct quotes.

Update 3: Is it just me or could George Bush have given that speech with only minor alterations?

Update 4: I guess I’m in good company

Sarah Palin and President Obama don’t agree on much, but last year’s Republican vice presidential nominee just gave the president’s defense of “just wars” a thumbs up in an interview with USA TODAY. In fact, she said that the president’s address in Oslo, where he accepted the Nobel Peace Prize today, reminded her of what she wrote on the same subject in her hugely successful memoir, Going Rogue.

Smart woman that.

…it is a fair case for a position I disagree with, not just to hear a reasonable argument on the other side but because of some of the truths he expresses two in particular:

1. The Warren Buffett principle: Everything I’ve ever gotten in life is largely because I was born in this country, America. It is the primary obligation of our generation to turn over a similar America to our kids.

The sentence might also say because my parents came here. He may not realize it but this is the #1 case against both the Climate deals and obamacare.

The 2nd is the most important:

2. Many big bad things happen in the world without America, but not a lot of big good things. If we become weak and enfeebled by economic decline and debt, as we slowly are, America may not be able to play its historic stabilizing role in the world. If you didn’t like a world of too-strong-America, you will really not like a world of too-weak-America — where China, Russia and Iran set more of the rules. (emphasis mine)

That bolded line is the single most important thing you need to know about America. He leaves out the importance military decline but the point is made. A weak America is a disaster for the entire world.

If you want to make someone understand American Greatness or what America means to the world these two things are what you need to drill into them.

…but other than Chris Matthews saying publicly how some on the left consider the troops and West Point I don’t have a big issue here.

I don’t care if he gave a good speech, I don’t care about the politics of it all that much.

All I care about is the commanders are going to get the troops we need to win. It would be nice if he talked about victory but I’m much more interested if he actually MANAGES victory.

Eyes on the prize, he is a radical left wing president, domestically he is going to push a left wing agenda but his primary job is as commander in chief during wartime is to win the war and protect us from attack.

If he does that on balance this will be a successful presidency. A victory in Afghanistan is more important than a victory in 2010 or 2012.

There are plenty of reasons to oppose this president, but if we win, then the war won’t be one of them, and that’s good for America.

Sarah Palin has it exactly right:

As long as we’re in to win, and as long as troop level decisions are based on conditions on the ground and the advice of our military commanders, I support President Obama’s decision.

Eyes on the prize. If you can’t tell the difference between a political enemy and the real enemy you have to get your priorities straight.

Update: John McCain doesn’t like the timeline, neither do I, but not to worry; just remember the immortal words of Jim Gerathey at NRO’s the Campaign Spot:

All Barack Obama Statements Come With an Expiration Date. All Of Them.

That timeline is going to go the way of the Dodo.