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At the corner this morning this question is asked about John Brown on the 150th’s anniversary of his raid on Harper’s Ferry.

Was Brown a hero of black freedom or a bloodthirsty terrorist?

One could argue that he can be both. The cause of abolition was certainly just, no rational person would make an argument against that today.

Fredrick Douglas
certainly considered him heroic:

“The true question is, Did John Brown draw his sword against slavery and thereby lose his life in vain? And to this I answer ten thousand times, No! No man fails, or can fail, who so grandly gives himself and all he has to a righteous cause. No man, who in his hour of extremest need, when on his way to meet an ignominious death, could so forget himself as to stop and kiss a little child, one of the hated race for whom he was about to die, could by any possibility fail.

“Did John Brown fail? Ask Henry A. Wise in whose house less than two years after, a school for the emancipated slaves was taught.

“Did John Brown fail? Ask James M. Mason, the author of the inhuman fugitive slave bill, who was cooped up in Fort Warren, as a traitor less than two years from the time that he stood over the prostrate body of John Brown.

I have a hard time thinking that way because of slightly mitigating fact that Brown was a murderous bloodthirsty bastard.

At the Doyle farm, James and two of his sons, William and Drury, were dragged outside and hacked up with short, heavy sabres donated to Brown in Akron, Ohio. Mrs. Doyle, a daughter, and fourteen year old John were spared. The gang then moved on to Allen Wilkinson’s place. He was ‘taken prisoner’ amid the cries of a sick wife and two children. Two saddles and a rifle were apparently confiscated. The third house visited that night was owned by James Harris. In addition to his wife and young child, Harris had three other men sleeping there. Only one of them, William Sherman, was executed. Weapons, a saddle, and a horse were confiscated from the house. While members of the rifle company, including four of Brown’s sons, asserted that their Captain did not commit any of the actual murders himself, he was the undisputed leader and made the decisions as to who should be spared.

Nathaniel Hawthorne said no man was more justly hanged. That’s a generalization but there no question that Brown no matter how right his cause of abolition was a bloodthirsty killer and deserved the punishment he got. His cause in no way mitigates the crime or the sin of murder and can’t be used to justify either. I can’t join in the celebration of Brown that Douglas has. I don’t have the stomach for it.

And for those who would dispute my position because of the lives saved and the evil that ended because of his actions lets play a game and substitute the words “Scott Roeder” for “John Brown”.

Lets say that Roe v Wade is overturned and someday in the future a prominent opponent of Abortion gave a speech quoting the names of people alive because of the repeal of Roe v Wade and the good they had done. What would you think if that person asked used that example and asked if Scott Roeder died (or more likely was imprisioned) in vain?

Personally it would make me sick.

Scott Roeder and John Brown are two heads on the same coin. Bloodthirsty murderers who killed using the cloak of a just cause to try to justify evil deeds. The study of Brown is justified and necessary as his actions were a turning point in American history.

I think the idolization of either of those men is obscene. Any Catholic in particular who would consider it should re-read this post.

Update: Honesty in Motion flatters me. You are too kind.

A: Because on MSNBC’s Morning Joe they referred to the Democratic House as a “Culture of Corruption”.

Now where have I heard those words before?

My review here (well actually here).

Take that meat and cook it.

Let’s see what the results of the successful campaign to deny Rush a minority ownership of the St. Louis Rams.

1. Lots of attention to his radio show, is it even possible for him to get higher rating? We will soon find out.

2. Lots of attention on all the news shows on TV

3. Lots of attention on Sports Radio shows

4. ACTIONABLE actions against major MSM members and perhaps other groups for slander.

5. ACTIONABLE actions against the those same MSM members AND some NFL figures for lost profits from the potential sale.

6. The NFL now risks it’s anti trust exemption.

All of this in order to deny Rush a minority ownership in an NFL team.

on #4 the slanders is a gimmie. It’s really hard when you can’t support a slanderous quote of someone whose every word for decades is transcribed in the hope of a “gotcha” moment. It is going to take a lot of effort for him to lose this and remember every victory he wins will be broadcast to the nation.

on #5 consider this: Is there a moment where the Rams are going to be worth less? Every dollar that the Rams increase in value from today on is a measurable loss for Rush and can be direct rather than punitive damages it’s a potential fortune.

on #6 lets quote the Blackbook legal blog:

Commentators have analyzed whether some of the NFL’s current policies would implicate the boycott rules under § 1 of the Sherman Act. But could a boycott of Mr. Limbaugh’s bid to purchase the Rams–be it through a players’ joint refusal to deal with him, an owners’ boycott or otherwise–be subject to antitrust scrutiny? My hunch is that a boycott could be problematic, even under a favorable rule of reason analysis, because it does not seem to have much of an economic motivation. From current rhetoric–and perhaps understandably–the boycott would be based almost entirely on the controversial statements Mr. Limbaugh made regarding Donovan McNabb several years ago.

That doesn’t even consider stuff like this:

In a candid moment during today’s Al Sharpton radio show (probably not intended for the rest of us to hear), Oben admitted that Rush’s political views regarding Obama were key to the opposition that appears to have derailed his bid to purchase the St Louis Rams

You are dealing with a group of people out for instant gratification, today’s gratification is going to be very expensive.

And remember Rush has plenty of money, if the case drags out for 10 years it won’t matter to him, he will still have them by the gonads.

This is going to be a big mess for a lot of people, and none of them are Rush.

Update: Listening to the show, Soros is in Limbaugh is out?

Answer: Apparently as a man who has “ineffective assistance of counsel.”

Maybe it’s just me but if I have a defendant who takes the stand with a Hitler mustache and says he’s glad for what he’s done and he will do it again I’d say that a closing Argument by Clarance Darrow or even Perry Mason wouldn’t make a difference.

As Althouse notes Scalia asked:

“What would you have done? It makes sense logically to say he has the worst defendant he has ever seen. He’s murdered lots of people in cold blood. He gets up on the stand and says, ‘I’m going to kill a lot more.’ He sounds totally bonkers.”

but Sotomayor saw it differently:

remarking on the lawyer’s strategy of using the crimes themselves as evidence of mental illness”: “At some point you can have a strategy and execute it so poorly, so incompetently, that you’re providing ineffective assistance of counsel.”

If this is a “wise Latina” I’m afraid to see what a blithering idiot would be like.