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should be read by any person who wants to understand just how radically different Christianity was regarding women.

One of the things that people forget about inspired scripture is that with the possible exception of Moses, when it was actually written the author, (in this case Paul of Tarsus) didn’t sit down, pen in hand to say: “Ok time to write the scriptures”. Each author was in fact writing for a particular reason.

In the case of Paul this is more pronounced than any other example. Paul’s letters were in fact, letters. Specific instruction and advice for specific churches for both general instruction and to handle individual issues.

One of the biggest dangers in scripture is the tendency to take specific quotes out of context to make an individual point. I see a lot of this particularly when debating non-catholics and atheists. In scripture it can’t be over stated that things need to be in context. Joy Addresses this:

The lines must be interpreted in the context of a Church that did place women in leadership. As J.R. Kirk has pointed out, Romans 16’s long list of early church leaders included some female names: Phoebe (whom Paul referred to as a deacon, though the word is often translated as “minister”), Prisca, Julia, Mary, and Junia, who is referred to as “relative and fellow prisoner” of Paul’s. Along with Adronicus, Paul says, Junia was “prominent among the apostles,” and was in Christ before Paul’s own conversion. (Junia is often translated as “Junius,” a masculine name.)

Paul did not want Christians to conform to the dictates of the world, nor did he want us to violate them. We are to transcend them. He was brought into faith directly by the Lord, the same Jesus Christ who first explained that it was as much adultery for a male to break the bonds of matrimony as for a female; the same Lord who showed himself first to women when he rose from the dead; the Lord who ate with female prostitutes. And it was this Lord who admonished Martha that learning the Word was more important than cooking or housework (Luke 11:38-42).

Let’s take another example Ephesians 5. I’ve actually written about this before but lets do it again. Most people who want to cry misogyny in the church look at verses 22-25 but lets look at the verses 21-33 in context. All Emphasis mine:

21: Be subordinate to one another out of reverence for Christ.

The concept of being subordinate to each other suggest equality, something very radical for the time.

Wives should be subordinate to their husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is head of his wife just as Christ is head of the church, he himself the savior of the body. As the church is subordinate to Christ, so wives should be subordinate to their husbands in everything. v22-24

This is the verse that gets people all a twitter. For its time there is nothing odd about it. The subordinate place of women was well established in culture for centuries at this point. It is often made optional when it comes up for reading. My parish priest’s tackled it a few years ago. I want you to remember the text in italics it is very important.

Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ loved the church and handed himself over for her to sanctify her, cleansing her by the bath of water with the word, that he might present to himself the church in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish. v: 25-27

Note that As Christ loved the church. Can you measure how much Christ loved the church? That in itself is a radical statement but the next one is even more radical:

So (also) husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. V 28

That is the ultimate statement of equality. The wife is the same as the husband, and must be loved as one loves oneself.

For no one hates his own flesh but rather nourishes and cherishes it, even as Christ does the church, v:29

“No one hates his own flesh.” Paul is breaking the rules of centuries here. He is re-writing culture in an absurd way for his time. Can you imagine how this must have sounded in the 1st century?

because we are members of his body. “For this reason a man shall leave (his) father and (his) mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.” v:30-31

This is significant because by this line he directly links Christ’s words to this whole argument. He shows that this is not just his opinion but the command of Christ.

This is a great mystery, but I speak in reference to Christ and the church. v32

To a first century person this would be a great mystery, this whole idea is a great mystery.

In any case, each one of you should love his wife as himself, and the wife should respect her husband.V33

And the big finish. Repeating what was already said. Reinforcing it.

In conclusion taken for its time this was an incredible statement. Paul is making the case for the respect for woman in the 1st century and it is from that base that western civ has reached the point it has.

And just one other note. Remember in the dark ages it was the Church and the monks who copied scripture that kept it in place and decided what was inspired scripture. If the Catholic Church was as hostile to women as some pretend how easy would it have been for the Catholic church to in that first millennium to exclude that from scripture or drop or it declare it wrong. Who could have stopped them? It was within the church that scripture and literacy was the most prevalent. Yet guided by the Holy Spirit it did not.

It is not a coincidence that the Koran although it steals a lot from the Bible it never quotes Paul. It’s misogyny would have a hard time coping with it.

What do I like best about the Anchoress’ post about C. S. Lewis and C. K. Chesterton? It give me an excuse to repeat my favorite quote of all time!

It’s from Chancellor Kent when asked if he would sign a temperance pledge:

“Gentlemen, I refuse to sign any pledge. I never have been drunk, and, by the blessing of God, I never will get drunk, but I have a constitutional privilege to get drunk, and that privilege I will not sign away.”

How can you not love a quote like that? The instinct to overprotect to the point of oppression is anathema to the whole idea of America.

…at the reclusive leftist back in 2008 when she posted each part of the film from youtube and wrote the following:

The pattern is the same, from Washington to Texas, from Iowa to Nevada, from Maine to Minnesota: Obama workers arrive early at each caucus place and take control of the premises and the process. Hillary supporters are intimidated, told their names aren’t registered, even physically barred from the site. Busloads of mysterious strangers arrive and cast votes for Obama. Sign-in sheets disappear; voter tallies are falsified. Over and over and over again, the pattern is the same.

How did this happen? Simple. The Obama campaign spent the entire year prior to the election planning the whole thing out. They saw an opportunity to game the system and they took it. At “Camp Obama” training centers, Obama campaign officials schooled volunteers in the fine art of stealing caucuses. And I have to hand it to them: they did a great job. When Obama points to his campaign as evidence of his executive experience, I’m inclined to agree. He’s definitely proven himself to be an executive-level criminal.

Do I sound angry? I am. There’s something about elderly women being bullied and denied the chance to vote — for a woman for President! — that makes me a little hot under the collar. Whenever somebody talks about Obama as the progressive candidate, the democratic candidate, the agent of hope and change, it’s all I can do anymore to keep from puking.

My post was a year ago and referenced Violet’s posts from a year earlier. To give you some perspective the above post was from October 15, 2008, Ted Kennedy was still alive, Scott Brown was an unknown state senator, a Tea Party was what little girls had with friends, Charles Johnson was still sane, and this blog didn’t exist. It’s so long ago that I was gainfully employed working 40 hours a week at a job I loved!

I posted about this back in August 2009 saying explaining why he he can’t allowing anything to happen on the Gladney case:

As Violet actually read the incident reports and I didn’t I don’t know if the SEIU were Senator Obama’s foot soldiers in that campaign, but that would be my bet.

I wonder what would happen if they talked? After all presidents come and go but the Union will still be there.

She has several posts on the subject of the president’s primary tactics going back as far as September of 2008. In fact the declarations of objections is dated July 4th 2008.

The significance? These things were known by the left two years ago. There were some on the left who wanted to get it out, to shout it to the rafters and they were shut down. They understood what was coming and wanted to prevent it. Some like Lynette Long voted for Palin and were excoriated for it, others like Violet here voted for Cynthia McKinney (ugh).

Now Violet here and I violently disagree on Religion, Abortion, George Bush, the War, the Economy etc. By every measurable standard she is very far left, in her eyes by every measurable standard I am very far right but let me tell you something. She is honest and honorable. She saw this happening two years ago and unlike the media or most democrats she (like Hillbuzz) absolutely refused to go along with it because as she put it on August 28th 2008:

Who will be the first African-American to win the nomination of his or her party without cheating?

Because, you know, it’s not Obama.

And if you don’t have time to slog through the 500-page Caucus Analysis website, here’s another link to that 98-page book version. It’s horrifying stuff. As you listen to Opossum’s speech tonight, just think of all those busloads of people from Illinois arriving to pose as Iowa voters in the caucus…and all those thugs in Texas physically barring Hillary supporters from voting…and all those union fixers in Nevada dropping Hillary ballots in the toilets…

If you didn’t understand why the DOJ will not investigate the black panther stuff, you do now.

The Memeorandum thread is here, and a PJ media story as well. Two years too late.

Update: Hillbuzz explains what this meant:

until 2008, we were all lifelong, unquestioning, party loyal Democrats who never in our lives dreamed our party would be responsible for thuggery like this.

The best way we can describe the feeling we have when we think about the DNC is to remember what the human characters on the TV show “V” felt like when they saw the masks ripped off the “Visitors”, revealing them to be lizard people underneath. Even people who had been helping the Visitors, and trying to convince others that they were really here to “serve the human race” in the non-cook book sense were instantly transformed into Resistance fighters when they saw what really lurked behind those masks.

So it is for many lifelong Democrats out there, including such prominent names as Lynn Forester de Rothschild as well, who will never look at the DNC the same way again…not after its mask has been ripped off so spectacularly.

He elaborates further in a later post:

One of our greatest frustrations in life remains the fact that we were never able to get the Media and American public interested in the truth about Obama’s fraud and intimidation during the 2008 primaries, but we see clearly now that America just wasn’t ready to face the truth about Obama yet. They didn’t want to see who he really is, or what he did to get to where he is. They wanted to believe the myth Tim Russert, Chris Matthews, and Keith Olbermann promoted heavily on MSNBC. Anyone who spoke the truth was attacked, maligned, and destroyed…like the contemptible little boy who had the audacity to tell the world the corpulent, over-indulged emperor had no clothes.

Well, it sure feels like Americans are more willing to listen to the naked truth about Obama now.

Now the MSM will ignore this as they did in 2008, but I don’t think the American voter will.

Update 2: Michelle Malkin connects dots:

Maybe it’s just me but it looks like the Dutch are using the tactics of the New England Patriots vs the Rams in Superbowl XXXVI. Hit them hard on every play and make them feel it

Of course Dutch might not be emulating the Pats as much as the Dutch Sea Beggers who were the terror of the Spanish and won the Dutch their independence.

In an hour or so we will see if they are as effective.