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should be read by any person who wants to understand just how radically different Christianity was regarding women.

One of the things that people forget about inspired scripture is that with the possible exception of Moses, when it was actually written the author, (in this case Paul of Tarsus) didn’t sit down, pen in hand to say: “Ok time to write the scriptures”. Each author was in fact writing for a particular reason.

In the case of Paul this is more pronounced than any other example. Paul’s letters were in fact, letters. Specific instruction and advice for specific churches for both general instruction and to handle individual issues.

One of the biggest dangers in scripture is the tendency to take specific quotes out of context to make an individual point. I see a lot of this particularly when debating non-catholics and atheists. In scripture it can’t be over stated that things need to be in context. Joy Addresses this:

The lines must be interpreted in the context of a Church that did place women in leadership. As J.R. Kirk has pointed out, Romans 16’s long list of early church leaders included some female names: Phoebe (whom Paul referred to as a deacon, though the word is often translated as “minister”), Prisca, Julia, Mary, and Junia, who is referred to as “relative and fellow prisoner” of Paul’s. Along with Adronicus, Paul says, Junia was “prominent among the apostles,” and was in Christ before Paul’s own conversion. (Junia is often translated as “Junius,” a masculine name.)

Paul did not want Christians to conform to the dictates of the world, nor did he want us to violate them. We are to transcend them. He was brought into faith directly by the Lord, the same Jesus Christ who first explained that it was as much adultery for a male to break the bonds of matrimony as for a female; the same Lord who showed himself first to women when he rose from the dead; the Lord who ate with female prostitutes. And it was this Lord who admonished Martha that learning the Word was more important than cooking or housework (Luke 11:38-42).

Let’s take another example Ephesians 5. I’ve actually written about this before but lets do it again. Most people who want to cry misogyny in the church look at verses 22-25 but lets look at the verses 21-33 in context. All Emphasis mine:

21: Be subordinate to one another out of reverence for Christ.

The concept of being subordinate to each other suggest equality, something very radical for the time.

Wives should be subordinate to their husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is head of his wife just as Christ is head of the church, he himself the savior of the body. As the church is subordinate to Christ, so wives should be subordinate to their husbands in everything. v22-24

This is the verse that gets people all a twitter. For its time there is nothing odd about it. The subordinate place of women was well established in culture for centuries at this point. It is often made optional when it comes up for reading. My parish priest’s tackled it a few years ago. I want you to remember the text in italics it is very important.

Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ loved the church and handed himself over for her to sanctify her, cleansing her by the bath of water with the word, that he might present to himself the church in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish. v: 25-27

Note that As Christ loved the church. Can you measure how much Christ loved the church? That in itself is a radical statement but the next one is even more radical:

So (also) husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. V 28

That is the ultimate statement of equality. The wife is the same as the husband, and must be loved as one loves oneself.

For no one hates his own flesh but rather nourishes and cherishes it, even as Christ does the church, v:29

“No one hates his own flesh.” Paul is breaking the rules of centuries here. He is re-writing culture in an absurd way for his time. Can you imagine how this must have sounded in the 1st century?

because we are members of his body. “For this reason a man shall leave (his) father and (his) mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.” v:30-31

This is significant because by this line he directly links Christ’s words to this whole argument. He shows that this is not just his opinion but the command of Christ.

This is a great mystery, but I speak in reference to Christ and the church. v32

To a first century person this would be a great mystery, this whole idea is a great mystery.

In any case, each one of you should love his wife as himself, and the wife should respect her husband.V33

And the big finish. Repeating what was already said. Reinforcing it.

In conclusion taken for its time this was an incredible statement. Paul is making the case for the respect for woman in the 1st century and it is from that base that western civ has reached the point it has.

And just one other note. Remember in the dark ages it was the Church and the monks who copied scripture that kept it in place and decided what was inspired scripture. If the Catholic Church was as hostile to women as some pretend how easy would it have been for the Catholic church to in that first millennium to exclude that from scripture or drop or it declare it wrong. Who could have stopped them? It was within the church that scripture and literacy was the most prevalent. Yet guided by the Holy Spirit it did not.

It is not a coincidence that the Koran although it steals a lot from the Bible it never quotes Paul. It’s misogyny would have a hard time coping with it.

The reason why this memeorandum thread has so much action is the absolute apoplexy.

Sarah Palin has the courage to bluntly say what everyone knows, but the left wants to pretend isn’t true.

A Mosque could be built anywhere on the subway line to have easy access, building it near ground zero is a deliberate attempt of Islam to assert power. Every radical Islamist worldwide will see it as a sign of submission, particularly when the towers have not been rebuilt. Pretending otherwise is a delusion of the type we’ve talked about before.

Yet Sarah Palin comes right out and says it. Not only is the uncomfortable truth expressed but it is expressed by the one the left hates most of all. That is why it has driven this “Patrick” and others totally nuts.

Tell you what guys. Let’s take a national poll of Americans and see if they think a Mosque at or near Ground Zero is a good idea. If you want your guys to run on that be my guest. You might manage to win Berkley, SF and Cambridge and I stress the “might”.

I wonder if Bloomberg’s aide would be willing to call the Saudi’s racist since they will not allow a Christian Church in their country. I wonder if that aide would call the Palestinians racist because they insist on an Judenrein Gaza? I think not. This is an example of the “courage” of cowards.

The days when the denial of reality pays off are rapidly dying.

Update: An update via Atlas on Islam in general. A must read.

Two sentences are in the news today that are worth note.

First of all in NY we have justice for the victims of Islamic terror:

A judge had resentenced a 70-year-old civil rights lawyer to 10 years in prison for letting a jailed Egyptian sheik communicate with his radical followers.

Federal Judge John Koeltl sentenced Lynne Stewart in Manhattan after she pleaded with him to reimpose the two-year, four-month sentence he had originally given her in 2006. She said she has been diminished since her November imprisonment.

An appeals court had ordered a new sentencing, saying the judge needed to consider whether she committed perjury. Koeltl says she did and he says she lacked remorse after her first sentencing.

I suspect she will not be invited to many ethics conferences in the near future but expect to see “Free Lynne Stewart” signs at protests, for as Jules Crittenden snarks:

Dangerous trend. When they start expecting lawyers to not only uphold the law and behave morally, but to avoid actively aiding and abetting terrorists, there’s no telling where this could end. Pols who have sought to abandon entire nations to genocidal chaos, who would shrug and let mad mullahs have nukes, who would seek to put a figleaf on the religious motivation of mass killers, be afraid.

More at memeorandum but have no fear Jules, there is always Canada where an Islamic Mother’s right to kill her daughter under Sharia law is respected!

The judge rejected an argument by Crown prosecutors Mac Vomberg and Sarah Bhola for a 12-year prison term, instead accepting the position of defence lawyer Alain Hepner, saying a suspended sentence can still meet the demands of justice.

“At first blush (a suspended sentence) may sound like a get-out-of-jail-free card. It is not,” said LoVecchio.

“The court has said the act in question does not merit a period of incarceration.

And to those who cry accident lets hear from Barbara Kay of the National Post for a moment:

In 2007 Aset Magomadova, at the end of her tether in dealing with a troubled and by her account troublesome 14-year old daughter, strangled the girl to death with a scarf.

Let it be noted, before going any further into this story, that to kill a healthy human being by strangulation, you have to cut off their air supply for 2.5 to 3 minutes. They lose consciousness and go limp long before they are at risk of dying. So you really can’t argue that you have strangled someone in self-defence or by accident or in a moment’s confusion or loss of control. If a person dies after you have had your way with a scarf around her neck, you can be sure the intention behind the attack was not benign.

If you want to see what dhimmitude looks like people, this is it.

One more thought about Charles Bolden

Posted: July 13, 2010 by datechguy in media
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I think it should be emphasized that this Islamic esteem nonsense wasn’t the policy of Charles Bolden, the former Astronaut, this was the policy of President Barack Obama, the former community organizer.

As the head of NASA he didn’t make the policy of the president he is instructed to follow it.

And it took Robert Gibbs one week to come up with this:

Asked whether Bolden misspoke, Gibbs said: “I think so.”

I think so? That’s it? what kind of question is that?

That’s no denial I take exception to this headline at Michelle’s place. I don’t think the WhiteHouse has denied anything to wit, they said:

“such activities are not among Bolden’s assigned tasks.”

I’m sure there is an official list of duties and “such activities” are not on the list, but nobody asked him Gibbs the direct question: “Did the president say this to Mr. Bolden?” A nice “Yes” or “No” question. Let’s see what Gibbs says then.

BTW if I’m Bolden I don’t resign (if you were going to resign you would have done it at the start) he isn’t the one who made this policy.

I’d be really interested in DaScienceGuy’s take on this nonsense.