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Morning Joe 5/16/16 discussing Jeffrey Epstein publicly for the 1st time

Prime Minister Jim Hacker: You’ve been briefed by MI5

Sir Arnold Robertson: Indeed Prime Minister

Prime Minister Jim Hacker: Bad Business

Sir Arnold Robertson: Unfortunate

Prime Minister Jim Hacker: Disastrous I’d say

Sir Arnold Robertson: Not disastrous surely, it will never come out.

Prime Minister Jim Hacker: You’ve mean things are only disastrous if people find out about them?

Sir Arnold Robertson: Of course

Yes Prime Minister: One of Us 1986

8 years ago in May the defining moment, at least to me, of the Presidential campaign of 2016 took place when this segment aired on Morning Joe:

I wrote about this at the time and noted the following:

take a look at the video and two things become immediately clear.

Everybody at the Table knows who Jeffery Epstein is, and what the story is

Nobody at the table wanted to talk about it

It’s also worth noting 7 years later that while people keep trying to connect Trump with Epstein today, NOBODY at the table even slightly hinted that there was any connection with Trump & Epstein.

At the time this segment took place MSNBC did something they didn’t usually do, they made copyright claims on this segment and made it very hard to find, but I was a daily Morning Joe viewer so I knew where to find it, albeit with some difficulty.

I can see the NBC reaction now: Nonsense, we’re not censoring the clip at all. The seven minute clip IS available IF you

  • Go to the Morning Joe site
  • Hit search taking you to the MSNBC search engine
  • Search for Donald Trump
  • Narrow the field to Morning Joe
  • Narrow the field to May 16th 2016
  • and sit through all the videos till you find the right one.
  • And skip ahead to the 12 minute mark on that video.

If you do so you CAN find the clip and watch the Morning Joe panel’s reaction to what Donny Deutsch says

Well Donald Trump won the election and Jeffrey Epstein crimes became public knowledge and the celebs who mixed with him freely because he was a friend of the Clintons were suddenly publicly aghast causing Stephen Green to say:

I’d take their apparent umbrage more seriously had they covered the story with this much energy any time from, say, 2009 to last Friday.

Well Epstein went to jail (where he DIDN’T kill himself) and the fact that everyone with power on the left and media knew and didn’t care until the public found out faded from memory.

Now it’s happening again.

Today all over the news is the talk that Barack Obama and others are approaching Joe Biden urging him to leave the Presidential Race, for the good of the country, all over the New York Times were editorials insisting that old Joe drop out. On Morning Joe Joe Scarborough the same Joe Scarborough who not a month ago insisted that Joe Biden was the sharpest knife in the drawer was saying this:

And he is being joined by so many others all bemoaning what we all saw.

The thing is that all of these have one thing in common. ALL OF THEM INSISTED THAT JOE BIDEN WAS FINE AND THAT SUGGESTING OTHERWISE WAS A CONSPIRACY THEORY.

Here is the supercut:

Meanwhile four months ago while all these people were saying Joe Biden was fine to the American people Italian Television was running comedy skits like this about Biden

Bottom line this was all out there and people knew, as Byron York put it:

 But it is clear that for years, Democrats at all levels of the party have looked the other way, buried their heads in the sand, and lied to themselves about Biden’s condition. Just in recent weeks, they have nodded their heads in approval when sympathetic journalists attributed troubling video of Biden to Republican “cheapfakes.” They have told themselves the GOP was spreading lies about the president’s condition. This month they looked at Biden standing frozen for two minutes amid a joyous concert and explained it by saying he was never much of a dancer. They deceived themselves.

Then, at about 9:01 p.m. Eastern time on Thursday, the self-deception stopped. The CNN debate presented a brutal picture of the president’s condition. Until now, everyone’s comparison of Biden’s vs. Trump’s mental and physical abilities rested on comparing videos of the two men in different situations and at different events. In the debate, they were side by side in real time on a TV split screen. The contrast was unavoidable. Biden looked out of it. Trump looked with it.

Even the farthest left of the farthest left understood what the real scandal was:

Cenk Uygur on being lied to by the left

Bill Akerman who recently had his eyes opened by the left’s embrace of the “death to the Jews Crowd” had a longer thing to say let me excerpt his tweet:

Left wing media have had total and complete access to the president, his staff, and his administration. They all knew, but they told you otherwise. They outright lied to you. When Robert Hur, the special counsel who deposed the president, said that the president was not fit to stand trial and therefore chose not to bring charges, the media described him as a tool of the Republican Party and character assassinated him. When the

@WSJ recently published a several-thousand-word, carefully researched, front page piece on the president’s mental and physical health, it was described by left wing media as outright propaganda. Now consider who has been feeding you propaganda.

Bryon York again:

Of course he is not up to being president until he is 86 years old. He’s not up to being president right now. The question is, why didn’t everybody already know that?”

The scandal here isn’t that Joe Biden isn’t competent to be president, the scandal here is that all the people in media and government knew for months or even years that this was the case, but carried on as if it was not and let whoever who has been running the country (I’m Betting the Obama team) since his “election” carry on and would have been happy to continue doing so until the events of Thursday evening.

In other words to all those people who lied for years, to paraphrase Sir Arnold, It’s wasn’t disastrous or dangerous for a person who wasn’t compos mentis to be President of the United States, at least in name, until YOU the public found out about it. Then it became a disaster.

Just like Jeffrey Epstein.

UPDATE: Two quotes accidently were merged in the same area fixed

Update 2: Let’s have a poll

Am I the only one who thinks this is actually the most important question out there right now?

Before we start let me remind everyone that Democrats did all they could to keep Robert F Kennedy Jr. out of the Democrat Primaries.

In retrospect this was likely a bad idea.


It’s amazing how quick the narrative goes from: “The idea of Joe Biden is infirm is false these are all deepflakes” to “Joe Biden is not fit to be president” when the proof of that statement is broadcast live to the entire nation.

Not a single one of those people who spent the last year lying about how sharp Joe Biden in on air will apologize for that lie.

Reality doesn’t care what your spin is.

Apparently the only person who was honest about the condition of Joe Biden was Robert Hur


There were an awful lot of people who didn’t like the rules to this debate.

  • two reporters who had a history of bias vs Trump
  • No crowd for Trump to play off of
  • No props for Trump to use
  • And complete control of the microphones in the hands of folks who hate him.

Many people including myself thought it was foolish of Trump to agree to those terms.

He was clearly right and we were wrong


One of the reasons why the disadvantages that Trump had didn’t work is the fact that Trump is adaptable.

For example, during the campaign when he realized that the vaccines were a disadvantage he started talking about the Biden mandates (a winning issue) instead of the vaccines (a losing one).

During the debate Trump was adaptable, and in fact used the format to his own advantage as it kept him more on point and he was able to use the format to highlight Biden’s condition.

Meanwhile Biden, though he grew stronger during the debate (drugs adrenaline or both) wasn’t competent enough to pivot in the same way Trump was.

That sealed Biden’s fate.


There was one exception to the collective show of panic among Democrats.

Democrat influencer Harry Sisson thread kept insisting the Biden was winning the debate and Trump was incoherent. Check out his timeline it’s an exercise that would make Baghdad Bob proud.

I don’t know how much the democrat/left is paying this kid directly or indirectly but whatever he’s being paid it’s not enough.

I’d be worried about whatever woman decides to date him, if he’ll say stuff like that to the whole world that can see he’s lying you certainly can’t trust him to be honest with you.


Finally on every cable channel Democrats are calling for Joe Biden to be removed from the ticket. Hashtags like #joemustgo and #swapoutjoe are all over.

There is one problem with this idea.

Democrats for the last three years have been telling us that interfering with elections that they insisted were free and fair was a crime against democracy and beyond the pale. Even in last night’s debate Biden defended jailing those who thought otherwise.

Now Democrats want to overturn dozens of democratically conducted elections in states all over the country. Elections where Democrats freely choose Joe Biden as their nominee, not because they don’t think the elections were fair, but because they regret the results a few months later.

I can’t speak for everyone but it sounds kind of insurrectiony to me

Tonight’s Presidential Debate is unique in the history of presidential debates.

It is the first ever presidential debate where two people who have served as president are debating each other.

It is also the first presidential debate that has taken place before either candidate has been offically nominated as their party’s candidate (although both have already won sufficient delegates to secure said nominations).

It is also the first presidential debate featuring the two candidates of the respective parties where the moderators will have the ability to mute the microphones of the candidates at will.

That last point is going to be the most interesting thing we see. It’s generally assumed that the CNN moderators who are about as in the tank for Joe Biden as you can get will be censoring Trump, keeping him from either going on or countering if Biden says something completely off, but the real interesting thing to watch for will be if they use their mute buttons to cut off Joe Biden if he starts to ramble or carry himself like the doddering old fool that he is.

That’s going to be the real tightrope walk for Tapper and Bash, their goal is to hinder Trump’s ability to get his message out to those few watching who have not already made up their minds, without being so obvious as to garner him sympathy. Their second priority is to carry Joe Biden without making it clear to the audience that they are doing so. That might actually be the harder task of the night

That’s really the only mystery here. I suspect there are actually very few undecided voters in this election. Americans have lived through the Trump years and the Biden years so they have an actual basis for comparison that has not existed on election day since the election of 1892 when Grover Cleveland faced Benjamin Harrison. People know what the choice is and I suspect most have already made it.

Furthermore the Trump people are going to vote for Trump come hell or high water and the Trump haters would vote for a wooden plank if it ran against Donald Trump which pretty much is the case as I suspect very few people think Biden is in charge of anything and when the debate is over as long as Joe Biden doesn’t drop dead or throw up all over himself everyone in the media will declare (at least publicly) that Biden won the debate with a strong performance.

That’s why I don’t think this debate really matters much except for the people actually running this administration who will use it to decide if they are better off keeping Joe Biden or dumping him.

That’s how I see it.

I’m not a big fan of continuing the war in Ukraine.

When the potential for the entire country to fall existed and Kiev itself was under threat the necessity of preventing Russia from steamrolling the breadbasket of the area and potentially going beyond said borders in my opinion justified western aid, even to a country as corrupt as Ukraine.

And while others discouraged Ukraine drone strikes in Russia I disagreed. Ukraine & Russia are at war and such strikes are of course legitimate acts of war no matter what the potential for escalation is.

And while a stalemate does weaken the Russian military which isn’t a bad thing the potential for this conflict to go beyond their borders or go nuclear remains and that alone is a good reason to find a peaceful solution before things get worse.

Well they’ve gotten a bit worse:

If these reports are correct that’s an escalation that is not helpful and frankly I think this move by South Korea is foolish as well:

South Korea is now rattling its sabers in response to the news from North Korea. After an emergency meeting of its National Security Council, the non-communist Korea stated it would send arms to Ukraine, something it had previously decided not to do.

I think that’s foolish because if I was in charge of South Korea, I’d welcome this move.

Yes it does give troops of the north experience in actual combat which is a valuable commodity, but I think there are many more positives than negatives here for the south.

  1. Every NK soldier who is sent to Ukraine is a soldier not able to be on the front lines of the DMZ.
  2. Every NK soldier casualty in Ukraine not only bleeds that army but might be a source of demoralization for soldiers told to fight thousands of miles from home.
  3. If NK casualties become high enough it might cause some pushback at home. It’s one thing to lose a son or daughter fighting against the South close to home, it’s quite another to do so in a war 10,000 miles away in a fight that has no relation to their land.

None of this makes this escalation a good thing but as this post suggests one should always look at the bright side of things and anything that weakens the North Korean army or has the solid potential to create dissent at home certainly qualifies as such.