Ick is just an argument about culture. It is the same argument that one would have heard concerning gay marriage less that 20 years ago.
DaTechGuy Richard Cohen Narcissist or Bigot 2008
Martin Rittenhome: Young man I sell over $14 million dollars a year worth of Geritol, Geritol, that’s the kind of businessman I am. That show twenty-one, cost me 3 1/2 million dollars year in and year out. Sales went up 50% when Van Doren was on. 50%! So the very idea that I was unaware of every detail or aspect of that show’s operation, well frankly it’s very insulting.
Quiz show 1994
UPDATE Oct 2022: The question has been raised as to how we’ve reached a point where so many people don’t see a problem with drag queens in schools, or sexualizing kids. This post from 2014 explains and to some degree predicts it:
Any smart advertiser will tell you the secret of establishing brand loyalty starts at an early age. For example the Radio Shack Ad at the Superbowl is effective because it brought a bunch of faces that people remembered that they enjoyed from their youth. If you want to animate a person bring them thoughts from their youth and watch them light up.
As the years go by a familiar label, a particular taste will trigger the pocketbook more even that quality. The fact that humans are creatures of habit builds on this.
Bottom line if you want to get a generation to like, want or accept something you want to get them to be thinking it at an early age and you’ve likely got them for their entire life.
The same is true with cultural changes creating heroes and villains. Change comes slow. If you want to move the ball of the culture or values, you have to get the ideas into kids heads when they are young. Get em while they’re young and you’ve got em.
Which brings us to a rather disturbing trend in the pornography industry that favors Woody Allen.
You might recall a while back I did a post on Tami Erin the Pippi Longstocking actress who has decided to rebrand herself as a sex star at age 40 and noted where that career path leads.
There are already plenty of younger more voluptuous women ready and willing to carry themselves more provocatively than Ms. Erin. It won’t take long for the novelty to fade and then the stray lesbian kiss, topless shot or swing around a pole will not be enough to retain the interest and procure the monies of the MichaelDick73′s JDogg77′s and Machette42′s of the world.
That’s the point when she is going to have to go a bit farther and then a bit farther again until a search for Tami Erin will turn up results on a niche category of older woman doing X, Y and Z on porn sites around the world
and in a later post I brought up 50 something performer Magdalene St. Michaels and her business model as savvy noting that she not only pushed and linked fan site but followed fans on twitter but promoted their tweets to make them feel included.
However business models aside in an age where practically no men under 30 have not seen online porn and a increasing amount of young women are fans of people like Ms. St. Michaels. Her pornographic films career can tell us a lot about where the culture is heading..
A quick glance of Ms. St. Michaels IMDB credits shows her primary work is in lesbian films. Now there is certainly no shortage of guys interested in, as Brian Doyle Murray’s character in the Goode Family called it “hot lesbian action”, one can presume that as a person who’s primary output is lesbian films would have a following among women. This is key to my point.
“But DaTechGuy”, you ask,”what does that have to do with Woody Allen?” Plenty.
Let’s start by looking at the list Ms. St. Michaels performances per her IMDB page. We find a set of titles beginning in 2007 with a particular theme
2011 Lesbian Seductions: Older/Younger 35 (Video)
2010 Lesbian Seductions: Older/Younger 32 (Video)
2010 Lesbian Seductions: Older/Younger 31 (Video)
2009 Lesbian Seductions: Older/Younger 27 (Video)
2009 Lesbian Seductions: Older/Younger 26 (Video)
2009 Lesbian Seductions: Older/Younger 25 (Video)
2008 Lesbian Seductions: Older/Younger 20 (Video) (as Magadalene)
2007 Lesbian Seductions: Older/Younger 17 (Video) (as Magdalene)
2007 Lesbian Seductions: Older/Younger 14 (Video) (as Magdalene)
2007 Lesbian Seductions: Older/Younger 13 (Video) (as Magdalene)
The series of movies began according to IMDB in 2005 for we basically had nearly a decade the last movie in the series #43 came out in 2012.
Ok so we have a theme of older women seducing younger women for sex and it’s a theme that has been in play for a decade apparently selling enough to warrant 43 variants.
I wonder if Tonya Drueppel was a fan of the series?
However even a successful series like that one eventually runs into a brick wall, basically it gets boring over time, after all if you seen one woman seduce a younger one for sex you seen all 42 of them. So given the competitive nature of the industry a new hook was found and Ms. St. Michaels found gainful employment in it:
2012 Mother Daughter Exchange Club 24 (Video)
2011 Mother-Daughter Exchange Club 21 (Video)
2011 Mother-Daughter Exchange Club 18 (Video)
2010 Mother-Daughter Exchange Club 10 (Video)
2009 Mother-Daughter Exchange Club 6 (Video)
2008 Mother-Daughter Exchange Club 3 (Video)
2008 Mother-Daughter Exchange Club 2 (Video) (as Magdalene)
2008 Mother-Daughter Exchange Club 1 (Video) (as Madgalene)
As you might have guessed by the title the “plots” are pretty much a pair of lesbian mothers meeting socially, bringing their daughters and trading them off sexually. And of course all of these things take place place in nice houses with the most reasonable looking women talking about the most normal jobs and careers before paring off.
You would think that something like this might cross a line that it would not be all that popular. After all the idea of pimping off one’s daughter to a friend in order to have sex with that’s friends daughter isn’t something that you would expect to see in the now mainstream porn industry but their producer Girlfriend films which proclaims themselves on twitter to they’re nearly 57,000 followers as the #1 leader in lesbian films. is according to wikipedia set to release the 30th in the series this year.
Furthermore the series is packaged and set to specifically appear totally normal and totally acceptable to the average person that has had been taught by the prevailing media culture for two generations to divorce themselves from Judeo Christian values & norms that once prevailed.
I wonder if the series was a favorite of Kate Hunt?
But people being people and the sex being sex it gets old until after half a decade even the concept of trading off your daughter for sex becomes old hat. So how do you keep the customer interested?
Fortunately for those trying to get people to buy once you’ve crossed the line on pimping out your daughter the next step is really easy and painfully obvious as per some of Ms. St. Michaels latest credits.
2012 Seduced by Mommy 5 (Video)
2012 Mommy & Me 4 (Video)
2012 Seduced by Mommy 4 (Video)
Yes you are reading that right, that series is all about mothers seducing daughters and vice versa although many of the scenes come with a disclaimer at the start by the “actresses” stressing they are not in fact related in any way. Given that such behavior would be a criminal felony that would seems a wise precaution.
Now you might think a series of this nature might be on the fringes of the increasingly mainstreamed porn industry, reduced to the “gonzo” category and considered beyond the pale even for them, reduced to rejected independent operators working out of damp & dirty apartments.
You would be wrong.
The list of 2014 AVN Award Nominees for “Best all girl series” include both the Mommy & Me series (now in its 8th edition and going strong) and the mother daughter exchange club series.
And if you react as most people might with “You’ve got to be kidding me” or something a tad more demonstrative for shame. After all who is puritanical old you to critique a series nominated for awards by their peers?
In fact as the company that produces both the “Seduced by Mommy” & “Mommy & me” series proclaims to their 15K strong twitter feed 15k followers that they are a “mom & pop” business “A lesbian company”any such objection might actually be considered a hate crime.
And the various series continue into this year include a new one
Another award winner I’m sure.
But the question still stands: What does any of this have to do with Woody Allen & Dylan Farrow? Just this:
For a solid decade a series of pornographic films explicitly directed toward woman have slowly been breaking down the barriers and moving the bar between what is considered acceptable behavior and what is not.
Young women, who will someday be mothers and the protectors of their daughters will be exposed to the idea of said daughters as desirable sexual objects for them. Something that can legally be advanced, first of course as fantasy to start but and after years of exposure to that type of thing it will go from “beyond the pale” to “just another porn movie” that is seen online.
Consider this line from Dylan Farrow’s piece this weekend:
These things happened so often, so routinely, so skillfully hidden from a mother that would have protected me had she known, that I thought it was normal. I thought this was how fathers doted on their daughters. But what he did to me in the attic felt different. I couldn’t keep the secret anymore.
When I asked my mother if her dad did to her what Woody Allen did to me, I honestly did not know the answer. I also didn’t know the firestorm it would trigger.
If twenty years ago when all of the stuff I’ve written about was WAY beyond the pale, when Porn was not easily accessible to the general public at home, a young girl actually wondered if this stuff was normal, what will young women think when they’ve been inoculated to this for a decade? Stacy McCain had it pegged:
Popular culture has been so corrupt for so long that many young people are incapable of making any distinction between vice and virtue, categories that sophisticated people are expected to reject as old-fashioned, if not altogether obsolete or, indeed, hatefully oppressive. As for the attitudes of adults, well, they are supposed to strive for eternal youth, to conform both their appearance and their appetites to the fashionable standards prevailing among the most shamelessly adventurous adolescents.
he closes thus.
Welcome to America in 2013. Welcome to the New Abnormal.
And if the New abnormal is where it is today in 2013 where will it be in 2024?
If only Woody Allen had somehow managed to delay this letter from his daughter till that time it might have been a story where he might not even feel the need to deny it and perhaps Cate Blanchett might not even have felt the need to comment at all.
Meanwhile away from Hollywood in America proper the story continues…
Andrea Michelle Cardosa, 40, was arrested Monday in Riverside County, California, and charged with 16 felony counts after two former students accused her of sexually molesting them. One of the victims, Jamie Carrillo, made headlines last month when she posted a YouTube video of a phone conversation in which she confronted the teacher she said began having sex with her when she was only 12:
No word on if she was a fan.
Update: cleaned up paragraph starting with “Young women who will someday be mothers…” to make the point of the acceptance of such behavior more explicit
Update 2: more grammatical clean up
Update 3: Fixed more grammatical errors and pulled the tip jar pitch and some dead graphics from the original post when I moved it to the new site
