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Spiking the Debate Ball for Trump

Posted: September 12, 2024 by datechguy in Uncategorized
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There were two reasons why the MSM spun Kamala Harris as the winner of Tuesday’s debate:

The first was to try and demoralize Trump voters who might have missed the debate.

The second was to make any steal credible. This is actually why Joe Biden had to go. For people to go along with the steal of the election as they did last time, it has to be at least plausible and it simply wasn’t plausible with Joe Biden in the state he is in.

And while I saw some evidence of the former from people who did not see that debate alas that pesky reality keeps getting in the way, because a lot of people did see it:

The Nielsen figures show that 58 million people tuned in for the debate between former President Donald Trump and Vice President Kamala Harris on Tuesday, roughly 6.5 million more than who watched the debate between Biden and Trump, which likely led to the former’s decision to drop from the race. According to Axios, the viewership numbers for Tuesday may rise about 60 million “once Nielsen finishes a more comprehensive tally.”

“The highest-rated game in the NFL’s opening week averaged 29 million viewers. The debate roughly doubled that. Americans are tuned in to this election, especially now that Harris has replaced Biden atop the Democratic ticket,” noted Axios.

And those who got their first taste of Kamala didn’t move people on issues that matter to them

Debate watchers also gave Trump a 23-point advantage over Harris when it came to whom they trusted to handle immigration and a 6-point edge on handling the role of commander in chief. 

That seems to match what some of those CBS voters were saying, with one talking about Trump’s effective closing statement— if Harris was going to do things, why hasn’t she done any of them now, while she’s in office?

Remember this is AFTER watching the debate.

Then there is the Reuters stuff that I mentioned yesterday that’s worth repeating with a little more detail:

Reuters interviewed 10 people who were still unsure how they were going to vote in the Nov. 5 election before they watched the debate. Six said afterward they would now either vote for Trump or were leaning toward backing him. Three said they would now back Harris and one was still unsure how he would vote.

Harris and Trump are in a tight race and the election will likely be decided by just tens of thousands of votes in a handful of battleground states, many of whom are swing voters like the undecided voters who spoke to Reuters.

Although the sample size was small, the responses suggested Harris might need to provide more detailed policy proposals to win over voters who have yet to make up their minds.

Five said they found Harris vague during the more than 90-minute debate on how she would improve the U.S. economy and deal with the high cost of living, a top concern for voters.

The encounter was particularly important for Harris, with a weekend New York Times/Siena College opinion poll showing that more than a quarter of likely voters feel they do not know enough about her, in contrast to the well-known Trump.

The Trump converts said they trusted him more on the economy, even though all said they did not like him as a person. They said their personal financial situation had been better when he was president between 2017-2021. Some singled out his proposal to tax foreign imports, although economists say that is likely to raise prices.

And then of course there is C-SPAN not knows as a Trump Bastion:

But to me the real tell was after the debate, and Sarah Hoyt nails it brilliantly:

Last night in the PJM liveblogging, it was taken as fact that Kamala was winning because her team was already demanding another debate. This didn’t make much sense, except under “oh, she wants to rub his face on it” maybe. But even so–

It wasn’t till this morning the full stupid of this hit me.

So, Kamala managed not to Biden it on stage. Great.

And yes, she, personally, might be stupid enough not to realize how much help she had from the mods and likely from her little friend in her ear. And think it would be fun to do it again.

But Que Mala’s team isn’t Que Mala. I suspect they treat her about like Biden’s team treated him. And they’re the same people.

They know she’s not that great. And they know that in the primaries in 16 she imploded in the debates. They’ve been carefully keeping her away from any opportunities to interact with press or even the public. And please keep in mind they allowed BIDEN to mingle. So, this is their estimation of her intellect and ability.

And yet, despite a supposedly HUGE bump from the debate in the polls, a bump such as puts her out of reach…. She’s asking for another debate, and apparently pressing the point.

People! I raised children. The kid who follows the other going “I demand a rematch!” is not the winner. Ever.

Period.

You can tell she writes books for a living can’t you? As for Trump:

At the same time, regardless of what Nancy Grey Goose Pelosi says, you know Trump is not a coward. Heck, we have photo evidence of it. If Kamala really were that far ahead in the polls from the debate, Trump’s team and frankly Trump would want a rematch. Also, Trump, right? He’d be spoiling for a fight, going “I demand a rematch” even if his team were trying to hold him back. Say what you will of him, if he ran from a fight he wouldn’t have thrown his hat in the ring this year, despite everything they’ve thrown at him. Or he’d have quit after the failed assassination attempt. And his ego is big enough if he had bombed, he’d want to show how great he really was. And again, his team would really just have to get out of the way.

Instead Trump is saying “Only on Fox and with my chosen moderators.” I.e. he’s putting CONDITIONS on it.

Guys?

This is not how a loser acts.

In fact, the roles are reversed and require not just that Kamala be brutally stupid, (which I’ll buy) but that her entire team also be too stupid to remember to breathe out after breathing in. And it breaks character for Trump.

Finally there is this from the NEW YORK FRIGGEN TIMES:

But not all voters, especially those undecided few who could sway the election, were effusive about the vice president’s performance.

In interviews, these undecided voters acknowledged that Harris seemed more presidential than Trump. And they said she laid out a sweeping vision to fix some of the country’s most stubborn problems.

But they also said she did not seem much different from Biden, and they wanted change.

And most of all, what they wanted to hear — and didn’t — was the fine print.

Frank Luntz actually said with the straight face that Trump lost the election on Tuesday, I’m sure that will keep him in good standing with the media he depends on but as I said on Tuesday, reality doesn’t care.

Before we start let me remind everyone that Democrats did all they could to keep Robert F Kennedy Jr. out of the Democrat Primaries.

In retrospect this was likely a bad idea.


It’s amazing how quick the narrative goes from: “The idea of Joe Biden is infirm is false these are all deepflakes” to “Joe Biden is not fit to be president” when the proof of that statement is broadcast live to the entire nation.

Not a single one of those people who spent the last year lying about how sharp Joe Biden in on air will apologize for that lie.

Reality doesn’t care what your spin is.

Apparently the only person who was honest about the condition of Joe Biden was Robert Hur


There were an awful lot of people who didn’t like the rules to this debate.

  • two reporters who had a history of bias vs Trump
  • No crowd for Trump to play off of
  • No props for Trump to use
  • And complete control of the microphones in the hands of folks who hate him.

Many people including myself thought it was foolish of Trump to agree to those terms.

He was clearly right and we were wrong


One of the reasons why the disadvantages that Trump had didn’t work is the fact that Trump is adaptable.

For example, during the campaign when he realized that the vaccines were a disadvantage he started talking about the Biden mandates (a winning issue) instead of the vaccines (a losing one).

During the debate Trump was adaptable, and in fact used the format to his own advantage as it kept him more on point and he was able to use the format to highlight Biden’s condition.

Meanwhile Biden, though he grew stronger during the debate (drugs adrenaline or both) wasn’t competent enough to pivot in the same way Trump was.

That sealed Biden’s fate.


There was one exception to the collective show of panic among Democrats.

Democrat influencer Harry Sisson thread kept insisting the Biden was winning the debate and Trump was incoherent. Check out his timeline it’s an exercise that would make Baghdad Bob proud.

I don’t know how much the democrat/left is paying this kid directly or indirectly but whatever he’s being paid it’s not enough.

I’d be worried about whatever woman decides to date him, if he’ll say stuff like that to the whole world that can see he’s lying you certainly can’t trust him to be honest with you.


Finally on every cable channel Democrats are calling for Joe Biden to be removed from the ticket. Hashtags like #joemustgo and #swapoutjoe are all over.

There is one problem with this idea.

Democrats for the last three years have been telling us that interfering with elections that they insisted were free and fair was a crime against democracy and beyond the pale. Even in last night’s debate Biden defended jailing those who thought otherwise.

Now Democrats want to overturn dozens of democratically conducted elections in states all over the country. Elections where Democrats freely choose Joe Biden as their nominee, not because they don’t think the elections were fair, but because they regret the results a few months later.

I can’t speak for everyone but it sounds kind of insurrectiony to me

One of the basic themes of the Donald Trump Campaign is summed up neatly in a simple meme that’s been around for a bit:

Given the events of the last four to eight years this is something that’s easily believable to anyone who has paid attention, but to those who:

  1. Have not paid attention
  2. Distrust or dislike Trump due to style
  3. Hate Trump with an irrational passion

The very idea that they (the left/deep state) are after us is either:

  1. Ignored or dismissed as rhetoric
  2. Disbelieved outright
  3. Considered irrelevant because their hatred of Trump justifies any action to stop him.

And that’s why Donald Trump has agreed to debate terms that no other sane man would tolerate.

You see Trump knows many of these people for what they are. For an entire lifetime they feted him, celebrated him, worked to get close to him and begged him for money. It wasn’t until he became a political threat to the left that he suddenly became a racist, or a Russian plant or anything else they started to call him (You might recall the Morning Joe crowd who are among the most vitriolic Trump haters out there celebrated and promoted him during the 2016 GOP primaries when they were convinced that if nominated he would lose and lose big). To function in big Democrat cities he had to work with a lot of them and was the sober man at every party where they were drinking and talking.

He also knows regular Americans not just from the campaign trail, but from getting to know the builders and workers who not only put up his buildings but worked in them. He knows many of them understand basic fairness and decency.

On Thursday a lot of those people who haven’t been paying attention, or distrust what he says or hate him irrationally will be watching and it’s unlike any other presidential debate that has ever existed because it’s the first time in the history of a presidential debate where BOTH CANDIDATES HAVE ALREADY BEEN PRESIDENT.

It’s not going to be about policy, all those watching know the policies that each administration pursued, it won’t even be about the economy, all those watching know what the economy is and what it was. Even a 15 year old is old enough to understand the difference between how things were five years ago and how they are now. No the question up to be answered is who can lead and who has to be led and who will give them a fair shake.

That why Trump’s campaign lady went on CNN and that’s why CNN had to censor her when she said what everyone who has paid attention knew to be true:

She did so to establish what the reality is going to be, because while a lot of people haven’t been paying attention to the election they have heard of this:

and see this:

So when Trump goes before two CNN moderators who attack him and defer to Biden for 90 minutes in front of the watching world he’s counting on all those who have not been paying attention, those who disbelieve his claim of unequal treatment and those who are nevertrump at all costs to see it for what it is.

  1. The people who weren’t paying attention will see the reality, perhaps for the first time
  2. The people who distrust Trump will recognize what is happening and believe (much like the Jews of America are having their eyes opened to the left lately
  3. The “never trump at all cost” crowd will recognize it point, laugh and cheer because their hatred overrides all but perhaps even a few of them will find it a bridge too far.

They’re going to make his case for him. He’s counting on it.

Democrats decided to play one last stunt with the Amy Coney Barrett nomination replacing themselves with cardboard cutouts for what became a unanimous vote to send Amy Coney Barrett to the full senate with a positive recommendation.

Under the Committee rules you have to have at least two senators of the minority party to have a quorum allowing a vote but alas to have a quorum call you have to have at least one senator suggesting the absence of a quorum and that would have required at least one of them to abstain from their exercise in performance art.

I swear the left is entirely made up of failed wanna be actors.


Watching how this election process has turned out reminds me of the biblical tale of Noah’s Ark with Trump & his supporters as Noah. For a solid year the left / media have spent their time pointing and laughing at him and now as election day comes closer and closer the rain has started to fall and they are getting more and more nervious.

Election day will be like them watching the ark float away while they seek higher ground.


Speaking of the Bible and scripture The Pope latest actions of this week reminded of this quote:

He said to his disciples, “Things that cause sin will inevitably occur, but woe to the person through whom they occur.

It would be better for him if a millstone were put around his neck and he be thrown into the sea than for him to cause one of these little ones to sin.

Luke 17:1-2

Andrew Sullivan’s plan of working to redefine sin rather than struggling to overcome it has found a buyer in Rome. No word yet if he is going to apply this same standard to other mortal sins like having a mistress or other things.

As a Catholic I never realized how spoiled I was by a lifetime of Saintly Popes until Francis came along.


The real irony in watching Facebook determine this Monty Python Joke by the Babylon Bee

is an incitement to violence is that the Monty Python Crew was always fighting censorship from their TV show to the Life of Brian and even in their final performance when Eric Idle wrote a special skit to replace a censored scene on TV which made fun of said censorship.

Of course given that Eric Idle and John Cleese are both steadfastly against this president perhaps they don’t see this censorship of a joke hitting Trump opponents problematic.

(I’m not aware of any public position by Michael Palin or Terry Gilliam nor has any mystic produced a comment from beyond the grave from Terry Jones or Graham Chapman so I can’t comment on what they might think).

Update: After I wrote this post Facebook reversed itself claiming it was an automated system what done it:

I guess it all depends on what the word “manual” means.


Speaking of Comic genius Mel Brooks has in his 94th year decided to come out with a video endorsing Joe Biden and hitting Donald Trump before the election hitting him over COVID.

What I find really ironic and in fact comical is the timing Brooks investment of political capital. Not only is it unlikely to change any minds but at this point the battle is already lost. (and if he didn’t know it before the debate he likely knows it now. It’s sort of like jumping on a horse to join the Charge of the Light Brigade or Picket’s charge just at the moment when it’s clear they have failed. You’d think a comic genius would recognize when something is a joke.

Of course in fairness to Mel he’s likely deep in the Hollywood bubble and at his age he likely past the point of having to worry about offending the customers.

Although I’m wondering if this is a crazy as a fox move to make the left decide not to censor his movies after he’s gone to keep the Royalties coming for his son.


I was going to finish with Mel but I just watched the Debate and I can’t believe what I saw. Joe Biden could have just put a “kick me” sign on this rear and be done with it. What kind of idiot denies he ever opposed fracking and suggests that Trump put on his web site if he did?

Ignoring all else, nobody that stupid should be leading the US.