Human Rights (watch is optional)

Posted: February 2, 2009 by datechguy in arthur vs carter, opinion/news
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I have maintained in the past that although you have to do what you have to do in the war on terror it is important to question what is being done to keep yourself honest.

I have questioned the left’s insistence that Gitmo has needed to be closed and the left has misrepresented the place over and over.

I also maintain Waterboarding is not torture, but I can see why some have said so.

The use of prisons in other western countries is a little more iffy since we may not have control but the various western countries have rules to keep things in check.

Now of all the tactics used Rendition is the most iffy, its the one that leaves me the most queasy. Of the left’s arguments this one was the best of the batch. And Obama has decided to keep it and expand it:

Barack Obama exploited that outrage when he promised Hope and ChangeTM, and the Left squealed with joy over the Brave New Obama World in national security. Now they’ll have to squeal again as Obama has had a sudden revelation as President that renditions are more necessary than ever, if the CIA can’t hold these subjects at Gitmo or its own secret sites:

Moe Lane called out leftist bloggers on this but the most amazing thing is reported at Dissenting justice where he calls out Human Rights Watch:

Now that the L.A. Times reports that rendition will continue during the Obama administration, Human Rights Watch has apparently altered its position. According to Tom Malinowski, the organization’s “Washington advocacy director,” the risk of torture and other abuses does not mandate the prophylactic cessation of rendition. Instead (quoting the L.A. Times)

I haven’t seen such a double standard by a “human rights group” since…well every time any of em deal with Israel.

I give full marks to that blog on the left for doing so and being honest enough to be outraged. I actually liked the outrage on the left over Gitmo because although false it produced an irrational fear of the place to the newly captured that might have gotten them talking but now the choices have been reduced to bad ones.

Don’t you wonder what Obama saw in the briefings that changed his mind on this? I’ll give the last word to the Captain:

Frankly, I think the US does a better job of treating its detainees than anywhere a rendition program would deliver them, but without a Gitmo or CIA holding site, that’s the only way to ensure that we can get any intelligence that will protect the US. I’m not surprised that Obama has reached the same conclusion, now that he has the responsibility to keep the nation secure from foreign attack. It’s amazing how clarifying that responsibility can be, and Obama at least must have a little more comprehension of what Bush went through the last seven years.


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Update 2: Missed the link to Captain Ed at hotair, thanks to commenter Paul for catching it.

Update 3: I guess he gets an Arthur vote for this. Running total Jimmy Carter 6 Chester Arthur 3. An explanation of the Arthur Carter watch here.

Update 4: A disagreement in comments continues here.

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  4. Paul A'Barge says:

    who is the captian and why don’t you link to him?

  5. daveg says:

    “Don’t you wonder what Obama saw in the briefings that changed his mind on this?”

    In my opinion, nothing he didn’t already see when he was pretending to be a senator. The difference now is that he isn’t running for anything, not that he knows more.

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  7. MarkJ says:

    My erudite and sophisticated response to this news?

    Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!! Karl Rove, you magnificent bastard, you set this up, didn’t you?

    ***Meanwhile, down in Midland, Texas, George Bush is cleaning up at “Texas Hold’em” and guffawing to his poker buddies, “See? I told ya that ol’ O-bama was all hat and no cattle. Now ante up and, Laura, sweetie, bring us some more sammiches, won’t ya?”

  8. SamIam says:

    This is the first thing I’ve liked in the new administration.

  9. Scott says:

    Like I said on my site, I may now go see the movie Rendition since it’s not a slam on Bush but now on Obama as well:

    Congrats on the links, a good post deserves to be read.

  10. Fen says:

    Just more evidence that “the Left doesn’t really believe in the things they lecture us about”

  11. Ivan says:

    Sorry, but DaTechGuy and Instapundit have this story wrong, the rendition order by Obama explicitly prohibits sending prisoners to countries that torture.

  12. Mark@Sea says:

    Socialists – liberals – are easily understood. They don’t see things as right or wrong; the criteria are “will we get caught, and if we do will we be punished” and “can it be used to denigrate conservatives”.

  13. autismne says:

    Waterboarding isn’t torture?


  14. Ivan says:


    Read the order:

    ” “1. No State Party shall expel, return (“refouler”) or extradite a person to another State where there are substantial grounds for believing that he would be in danger of being subjected to torture.

    2. For the purpose of determining whether there are such grounds, the competent authorities shall take into account all relevant considerations including, where applicable, the existence in the State concerned of a consistent pattern of gross, flagrant or mass violations of human rights.”

    It’s pretty clear. And this is pretty much a 180 from the bush administration when we extradited prisoners to places like Egypt and Jordan to be tortured. Even national review and glenn reynolds has had to backtrack a bit on this:

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  16. Albie says:

    Hey, I’ve got a great idea. Why don’t we parole all these Gitmo detainees to San Francisco? Maybe Sean Penn would volunteer to guard the Golden gate Bridge for us.

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  18. J. A. Baker says:

    I also maintain Waterboarding is not torture

    Funny, we called it torture when the Japanese did it to our boys in WWII. What, it’s only OK when we do it?


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