Two questions that aren’t being asked about Wisconsin.

Posted: March 1, 2011 by datechguy in opinion/news
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1. No matter why the signs say, this will not be the last election in Wisconsin’s history. Presumably in 2012 the members of the Wisconsin house and senate will be up for election again and the governor in 4 years. If the unions have the people behind them, isn’t it a given that in the next election the republicans will be swept out of office and collective bargaining will be restored? Are the unions fighting so hard because they understand the voters disagree with them?

2. Under Walker’s plan the union would be re-certified each year by a vote of the members. Do the Unions believe that their members who are apparently so well served by the unions that they are turning out to protest in big numbers would choose not to re-certify?

I suspect that the answer to both questions is Yes!

I think they are good questions. I’d love to see good answers to them.

Update: Before I crashed I saw the CBS and PPP polls that are being trumpeted. If these polls were true then:

1. Why were the protests nationwide so sparsely attended?

2. Why is it necessary for the unions to bus in supporters to Wisconsin?

3. Why aren’t the democrats who have fled confidently returning knowing that this vote will only be the prelude to them retaking everything in Wisconsin?

These are good questions too.

Or perhaps like Bill Jacobson they actually crunched the numbers in the PPP poll and found them…interesting.

Update 2: Ed Morrissey does the same for CBS. It’s amazing the poll results you can generate when you over-sample democrats:

Their sample for this poll had a D/R/I split of 36/26/31, an absurd sample for political polling. In December, Rasmussen’s general-population survey put Republicans ahead, 36.0% to 34.7% for Democrats. A recent poll by Gallup shows erosion in Democratic affiliation all through 2010.

Oversample unions:

20% of the poll’s respondents claim to come from union households. However, only 11.9% of American workers belong to a union, according to a report published by the Bureau of Labor Statistics last month and noted by none other than the Times itself.

And public sector employees:

Government employment accounts for 17% of all workers, so a sample consisting of 25% public-sector households for a survey of adults (not registered voters) seems a little off.

The goal is not to report on public opinion it’s to drive it and set the daily media template.

Update 3: didn’t notice the Instalanche until I checked comments, don’t forget to check out our conversation on sex, Last weeks show with Jazz Shaw and Sissy Willis, and some info on car speakers that can crack windshields from my newest advertiser

Update 4: One more question. If the public is behind the Wisconsin lawmakers who left the state, why run away from tea party folks, why not just stay at a single hotel and do news conferences?

Update 5: Texas Ed brings up an important point in comments:

I’ve not read anyone making a very key point: EVERYONE IN THE CAPTIVE MEDIA IS A UNION MEMBER!

I confess I didn’t think of it myself

  1. People’s feet can often tell you more about their thought than listening to their words.

  2. Don says:

    Good questions but I believe that the answers to all of them are fairly obvious. The unions already lost if you know what Walker and the republicans in WI told the voters they would do if elected. The unions know that voluntary contributions will net them far less dues money than mandated dues will. The unions depend on compulsory membership in many states,right-to-work states have limited union membership, if any. Those polls are from known left-leaning institutions and probably paid for in part by union money(I’m assuming, I could be wrong). I’ve seen plenty of polls saying the same thing, they were comissioned by AFL-CIO. The more accurate poll would be the vote count of the last election.

    If you’ve got time, the DailyCaller has a pretty funny story up about activists in Illinois chasing down the 14 missing senators, they have been hounding these guys for a week with cameras and questions and coordinating through facebook.

    Good post,

  3. Jeff H says:

    Great questions, and (to anyone with something more substantive than mashed potatoes between their ears) obviously rhetorical.

  4. David says:

    In the Wisconsin Senate, eight of the 14 Democrats will be up for re-election in 2012.

  5. Bonfire of the Idiocies says:

    These questions aren’t being asked because they don’t fit the stinkin’ narrative.

  6. Richard says:

    Dennis Prager asked a great question yesterday. Imagine the media coverage if the Tea Party had stormed the capital building in Madison, WI and occupied it for two weeks.

    Newport Beach, CA

  7. Mike Giles says:

    I simply don’t understand it. We KNOW the media lies to us. They been caught at it time after time. So why does anyone pay any attention to the latest crap poll they come out with? We know the polls are simply another distortion to help the Dems. So why are we paying any attention to them. They’re like that old Soviet propaganda that kept telling us how they were going to catch up to the West any day – and about as realistic.

  8. We saw internet polling here in Detroit when asked if we wanted a Light Rail (LR) system; the poll found overwhelming support for LR ! Problem was people could vote as many times as they wanted just like American Idol style voting. Internet polling is highly suspect at best but when it comes to public policy and spending trillions of tax dollars Internet polliing should be totally excluded

  9. Ambrose says:

    [David says:
    March 1, 2011 at 9:45 am
    In the Wisconsin Senate, eight of the 14 Democrats will be up for re-election in 2012.]

    but will be recalled in 2011..(the others are not subject to recall for another year)

    The last WI State Senator recalled was George Petak; I lived in his district at the time. It took about 9 months from his turncoat vote that prompted it to the installation of his replacement. Look for 8 new Republican state senators around (heh) Labor Day.

  10. TexEd says:

    I’ve not read anyone making a very key point: EVERYONE IN THE CAPTIVE MEDIA IS A UNION MEMBER! Media coverage of labor issues has NEVER been objective. The media NEVER mentions the “chilling effect on the people’s right to know” when there is a media strike and other presstitutes refuse to cross a picket line.

  11. Forrest says:

    I heard a news bimbo on the radio this morning touting the New York Times poll, which stated, wait for it…56% support public employee unions. Of course it’s all about the narrative, that’s why they’re gaming these polls, truth has nothing to do with it.

  12. Dave Jenkins says:

    Questions? Here’s another: Who is picking up the tab for the Dems’ Illinois Sojourn? Could it possibly be . . . the taxpayers of Wisconsin? (Guessing that the answer is another . . . “Yes!”)

  13. Army of Davids says:

    The grind on public sector (Soviet) union power is just getting started. (Community) Organizing for America has a huge interest in maintaining the public sector union power base. But it will wobble and weaken in the fullness of time.

  14. Robert Ehinger says:

    You call yourself a Catholic yet you seem to be totally against the right of workers to organize and bargain collectively. Should we then assume that statements by the local Bishop and several encyclicals by various popes mean nothing to you?

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  16. Don says:

    Robert, what does a person’s religion have to do with public policy concerning union’s ability to funnel taxpayer money to their favored party and then “negotiate” with those same politicians for BOTH their pay AND benefits? Nobody is saying that teachers can’t collectively bargain, they just don’t want unions to be able to force local governments to buy health coverage from the same union that they employ. Wisconsin teachers have so far forced over 60% of municipalities to buy health insurance from a company that is run by those same unions. Do you think that the union has any incentive at all to curb costs? (hint: NO)

    There is nothing irreligious about fiscal sanity.

  17. John Farrell says:

    Peter, leaving this in the comments for your review (love the blog)


    I don’t recall ever seeing this idea floated around, (apologies if I’m wrong), my thought is if people are willing to talk about a Constitutional Amendment, why not propose something that might have a chance of getting the necessary votes in the states. So here it is, I propose that the blogosphere get behind a very simple Amendment that clearly and narrowly puts a finite definition on the commerce clause.

    I think the timing is right and the states are sick of the Feds usurping their authority, it would have the bonus effect of nullifying current and preventing future stupid legislation.

  18. Subotai Bahadur says:

    Looking at the INSTAPUNDIT posting that led here, if the TEA Party patriots are catching the Fugitives in places like Hooter’s, Tilted Kilt, etc.; instead of confronting them, why not insert somebody as a fellow customer in there to covertly record in case one or more of the Fugitives get “frisky” with the help. [They ARE Democrats, and it is there choice of where to run hide, which may be telling.] Posting that online would expose the Fugitives to ridicule and break their Narrative. Also, an irate spouse or two in the mix makes it more likely that one or more will have to run north.

    Subotai Bahadur

  19. Roxeanne de Luca says:

    It’s a lot like how liberals fight tooth and nail to make sure that abortion never comes up to a vote. They know what the result of that vote would be (and it wouldn’t be abortion on demand through the seventh month of pregnancy), so they don’t want it, despite claiming that everyone is with them.

    Maybe some union people want merit pay. The young ones know that the seniority rules are the harshest for them, and we’re the ones coming out of school saddled with debt, trying to buy starter homes that are more expensive than the near-mansions of our parents’ generation. We’re the ones with the high unemployment rate, and we’re the ones who know that we aren’t being served by all this nonsense.

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  21. richard40 says:

    Just had an interesting thought. Are the reporters for Fox also in the media union? If so, then not all media union members are biased in the pro public employee union direction. Of course, I dont beleive all regular union members favor the wisconson protestors either. also, I suspect that reporters with conservative views have tended to gravitate toward Fox.

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    Couldn’t the ‘Media unions’ just go on strike and do everyone a favor?

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    We’ve been all over this story on Common Cents as well…

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