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I didn’t have a chance to go down to Main Street to check out the location and welcome the new social service organization to Main Street. I am sure they will have a lot of useful information regarding pregnancy, pregnancy testing, with counselors on hand to talk to confidentially.
Believe me when I was expecting my first child (without health insurance), with my wife, I didn’t know what to expect. But clinics and counselors had a lot of information for our options. I was/We were very clear to say ‘we are keeping the baby!’ when information regarding abortion was provided as one of the many options suggested, including adoption, keeping the baby, etc. We were provided with loads of information especially about health insurance programs, midwives, OB-GYN clinics, foods to eat, foods to avoid, pregnancy pills, prenatal vitamins, fish oil pills to take (folic acid, etc), avoid smoking and alcohol etc.
We had no clue what to expect and our fears and concerns were calmed during that consultation. I found it to be quite a benefit to have tax dollars fund that kind of available service for myself and others.
Some people will choose abortion over the other options. Some will use the information provided and choose adoption over abortion. Some will visit just for birth control devices. Some will receive the information and get the initial information required for developing a healthy baby.
We are becoming a college town. Will the college students frequent the Planned Parenthood on Main Street rather than visit the college clinic in order to get more confidentiality or a second opinion? I wonder if the morning after pill will be provided. Can it be provided? Is it provided at the college?
I’m sure there are many many females who have unexpected pregnancies in the area in the future. I’m glad to know that there is now a location in my town where those females can get all the information they deserve.
Imagine you are a single professional woman. In this economy lets say also unemployed or newly hired. You get promoted or hired to a leadership or management position at a company. A supportable or comfortable wage. Things are going well for you.
You discover you are pregnant. Your job isn’t protected under FMLA because you haven’t worked full time at your job long enough.
What do you do?
Another scenario.
High school or college student. Good grades and scholarship. Pregnant. You need the education in order to get a non-minimum wage job. How will you support the baby?
Ok: I’m going to go out on a limb here and suggest that these conceptions in your scenarios were not immaculate.
Following your logic, the life of any human child is subordinate to the desires of the mother. It’s a matter of economics or convenience. How does that actually differ from slavery where people were made to work and even live or die for the wealth and survival of others?
Are you suggesting that college woman (or even these days highschool women and below) can’t find information on the internet? That all the “information” they need or want is not a click or two away?
Forgetting everything else about planned parenthood in the digital age that is just nonsense.
thanks for the pics, and the participation in that demonstration. does that new social service organization provide ultrasounds? Or perhaps it has no medical facility. I’m a fan of Project Ultrasound b/c if the woman is given a chance to see who is inside they are way less likely to choose abortion.
Nine years ago, I was happy to learn I was pregnant, but still amazed when I watched that 3 inch long baby swimming in my womb at 11 weeks. Moving arms and legs like a born baby in a crib. If I had been considering abortion, there would have been no. way. after watching that ultrasound.
Bringing up slavery in the discussion are we. I’ll bite. Yes, had I been a white land owner in the south during the 1700 & 1800s for sure I would have purchased, sold, and owned slaves to work in my fields. That was within the law and the way of life. And since my labor costs were, well zero, everything was profit. How else did such white land owners amass their wealth. The slaves worked long hours yes, but also raised families, were fed, had housing, and eventually were freed. Then when it came time for the plantation owners to hire workers who did they hire? Well the former slaves were the more experienced workers, how about them?
Lets also look back at the ‘la Amistad’ Supreme Court case of 1840. Slaves escape captivty on board and revolt on la Amistad. They arrive in America are and arrested. The trial eventually goes to the US Supreme Court and they are ruled as being free on a technicality and they were returned to Africa. Did not some of those freed slaves eventually become slave traders themselves? Of course they did, thats where the money was.
So this information can be found of the internet. Yes you can do it from the privacy of your own home. Don’t internet sites get saved on your computer? Aren’t IP addresses saved on a network? Why is it whenever a crime takes place the first thing the FBI does is take the computer away? Oh thats right, because all the information is stored on a computer’s hard drive. Even the supposed deleted stuff. That doesn’t sound so confidential to me.
If you pee on a flash drive and put it in the usb port, the computer will not open a window that shows a + or – . You’ll most likely kill your usb drive, and have a stinky flash drive. Although that sounds like a pretty sweet idea; a flash drive that also acts as a pregnancy test that you can save all your baby information and photos on it. Let me do a quick Google search to see if its been invented already.
To noone, what if at a later ultrasound or appointment you discovered that the baby would have a fatal disease and not survive the pregnancy, or die in the womb, or live through birth but die within a day. What then? Is abortion a considerable for that life?
Not to diminish the life of a baby, which is not my intention, but what is the difference between that and euthanizing a pet. Shouldn’t the natural order of things be to let nature take its course allow all pain and suffering and die when the time comes? Wouldn’t that be inhumane?
Once again, I already know where I stand on this issue. I have two beautiful children as evidence to that. But not allowing a woman the right to choose, for whatever reason, is just plain wrong.
The argument has been made on this blog many times regarding the tea partiers that they are your neighbors and you won’t speak down on the people you know. We’ll I’m sure you’d be surprised at how many friends, relatives, and people you know that chose the abortion option.
People don’t brag and make public of such things and it passes under the radar. Plus what’s it your business anyways?
It’s our business because you are dealing with an innocent human life.
Said human life is distinct, (it’s own dna sequences), fully human and totally innocent from any sense of standard and with the incredibly (and I mean incredibly rare) exception of conception during rape, created by the direct action of the lady involved.
Moreover Abortion fans such as Planned Parenthood understand this. This is why they do their best to fight laws that require ultrasounds. The actual sight of the baby in the womb trumps the euphemisms given to describe it.
The slavery parallel works because the supporters of abortion spend most of their efforts denying the humanity of the unborn child, much as the slave owner denied the humanity of the slave (at least in the west, eastern slavery didn’t worry about such a distinction, it was strictly business).
Funny stories do not change that fact.
If cars existed in the mid 1800’s we would have seen our share of: “Don’t like slavery? Don’t own one.” bumper stickers.
Abortion is simply murder. You might have an excuse, you might have been talked into it but even dating to the Hippocratic oath it was understood as wrong. If it was not something wrong you wouldn’t hear the “safe, legal and rare” mantra from those with no stomach to protect the unborn.
To pretend otherwise is to sit at the window while your neighbor kills his wife next door and deciding it’s not my business.
[…] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Charlotjack, Peter Ingemi. Peter Ingemi said: The new Media #catholic way: re #cnmc is great and cool. But old fashioned #prolife protest legwork is just as vital http://wp.me/pnQZ0-4GV […]
I didn’t have a chance to go down to Main Street to check out the location and welcome the new social service organization to Main Street. I am sure they will have a lot of useful information regarding pregnancy, pregnancy testing, with counselors on hand to talk to confidentially.
Believe me when I was expecting my first child (without health insurance), with my wife, I didn’t know what to expect. But clinics and counselors had a lot of information for our options. I was/We were very clear to say ‘we are keeping the baby!’ when information regarding abortion was provided as one of the many options suggested, including adoption, keeping the baby, etc. We were provided with loads of information especially about health insurance programs, midwives, OB-GYN clinics, foods to eat, foods to avoid, pregnancy pills, prenatal vitamins, fish oil pills to take (folic acid, etc), avoid smoking and alcohol etc.
We had no clue what to expect and our fears and concerns were calmed during that consultation. I found it to be quite a benefit to have tax dollars fund that kind of available service for myself and others.
Some people will choose abortion over the other options. Some will use the information provided and choose adoption over abortion. Some will visit just for birth control devices. Some will receive the information and get the initial information required for developing a healthy baby.
We are becoming a college town. Will the college students frequent the Planned Parenthood on Main Street rather than visit the college clinic in order to get more confidentiality or a second opinion? I wonder if the morning after pill will be provided. Can it be provided? Is it provided at the college?
I’m sure there are many many females who have unexpected pregnancies in the area in the future. I’m glad to know that there is now a location in my town where those females can get all the information they deserve.
While I’m on the subject.
Imagine you are a single professional woman. In this economy lets say also unemployed or newly hired. You get promoted or hired to a leadership or management position at a company. A supportable or comfortable wage. Things are going well for you.
You discover you are pregnant. Your job isn’t protected under FMLA because you haven’t worked full time at your job long enough.
What do you do?
Another scenario.
High school or college student. Good grades and scholarship. Pregnant. You need the education in order to get a non-minimum wage job. How will you support the baby?
What do you do?
Ok: I’m going to go out on a limb here and suggest that these conceptions in your scenarios were not immaculate.
Following your logic, the life of any human child is subordinate to the desires of the mother. It’s a matter of economics or convenience. How does that actually differ from slavery where people were made to work and even live or die for the wealth and survival of others?
Are you suggesting that college woman (or even these days highschool women and below) can’t find information on the internet? That all the “information” they need or want is not a click or two away?
Forgetting everything else about planned parenthood in the digital age that is just nonsense.
thanks for the pics, and the participation in that demonstration. does that new social service organization provide ultrasounds? Or perhaps it has no medical facility. I’m a fan of Project Ultrasound b/c if the woman is given a chance to see who is inside they are way less likely to choose abortion.
Nine years ago, I was happy to learn I was pregnant, but still amazed when I watched that 3 inch long baby swimming in my womb at 11 weeks. Moving arms and legs like a born baby in a crib. If I had been considering abortion, there would have been no. way. after watching that ultrasound.
Bringing up slavery in the discussion are we. I’ll bite. Yes, had I been a white land owner in the south during the 1700 & 1800s for sure I would have purchased, sold, and owned slaves to work in my fields. That was within the law and the way of life. And since my labor costs were, well zero, everything was profit. How else did such white land owners amass their wealth. The slaves worked long hours yes, but also raised families, were fed, had housing, and eventually were freed. Then when it came time for the plantation owners to hire workers who did they hire? Well the former slaves were the more experienced workers, how about them?
Lets also look back at the ‘la Amistad’ Supreme Court case of 1840. Slaves escape captivty on board and revolt on la Amistad. They arrive in America are and arrested. The trial eventually goes to the US Supreme Court and they are ruled as being free on a technicality and they were returned to Africa. Did not some of those freed slaves eventually become slave traders themselves? Of course they did, thats where the money was.
So this information can be found of the internet. Yes you can do it from the privacy of your own home. Don’t internet sites get saved on your computer? Aren’t IP addresses saved on a network? Why is it whenever a crime takes place the first thing the FBI does is take the computer away? Oh thats right, because all the information is stored on a computer’s hard drive. Even the supposed deleted stuff. That doesn’t sound so confidential to me.
If you pee on a flash drive and put it in the usb port, the computer will not open a window that shows a + or – . You’ll most likely kill your usb drive, and have a stinky flash drive. Although that sounds like a pretty sweet idea; a flash drive that also acts as a pregnancy test that you can save all your baby information and photos on it. Let me do a quick Google search to see if its been invented already.
Holy crap it has! Are you freakin kidding me? ‘The USB Pregnancy Test doesn’t allow you to store data but it does lots of analyzing and comes with 20 test strips so you can pee on it again and again’ (http://weburbanist.com/2009/12/02/50-geektastic-usb-gadgets-funky-flash-drives/).
To noone, what if at a later ultrasound or appointment you discovered that the baby would have a fatal disease and not survive the pregnancy, or die in the womb, or live through birth but die within a day. What then? Is abortion a considerable for that life?
Not to diminish the life of a baby, which is not my intention, but what is the difference between that and euthanizing a pet. Shouldn’t the natural order of things be to let nature take its course allow all pain and suffering and die when the time comes? Wouldn’t that be inhumane?
Once again, I already know where I stand on this issue. I have two beautiful children as evidence to that. But not allowing a woman the right to choose, for whatever reason, is just plain wrong.
The argument has been made on this blog many times regarding the tea partiers that they are your neighbors and you won’t speak down on the people you know. We’ll I’m sure you’d be surprised at how many friends, relatives, and people you know that chose the abortion option.
People don’t brag and make public of such things and it passes under the radar. Plus what’s it your business anyways?
It’s our business because you are dealing with an innocent human life.
Said human life is distinct, (it’s own dna sequences), fully human and totally innocent from any sense of standard and with the incredibly (and I mean incredibly rare) exception of conception during rape, created by the direct action of the lady involved.
Moreover Abortion fans such as Planned Parenthood understand this. This is why they do their best to fight laws that require ultrasounds. The actual sight of the baby in the womb trumps the euphemisms given to describe it.
The slavery parallel works because the supporters of abortion spend most of their efforts denying the humanity of the unborn child, much as the slave owner denied the humanity of the slave (at least in the west, eastern slavery didn’t worry about such a distinction, it was strictly business).
Funny stories do not change that fact.
If cars existed in the mid 1800’s we would have seen our share of: “Don’t like slavery? Don’t own one.” bumper stickers.
Abortion is simply murder. You might have an excuse, you might have been talked into it but even dating to the Hippocratic oath it was understood as wrong. If it was not something wrong you wouldn’t hear the “safe, legal and rare” mantra from those with no stomach to protect the unborn.
To pretend otherwise is to sit at the window while your neighbor kills his wife next door and deciding it’s not my business.